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May 10, 2013 By John Barron 4 Comments
This common objection among internet Atheists goes something like this: Does God just not care about amputees? If God existed He would heal amputees, or even one amputee. None are healed, therefore God most likely doesn’t exist. If only God would heal an amputee (in a scientific lab, on video, in the presence of many […]
March 23, 2011 By John Barron 1 Comment
Making headlines is a newly released study ”conducted by Richard Wiener of the University of Arizona, and Daniel Abrams and Haley Yaple of Northwestern University, took data stretching back 100 years for those nine countries. In a large number of modern secular democracies, there’s been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; […]
October 23, 2010 By William Occam Leave a Comment
Proof number 9: Understand Ambiguity The argument of “proof #9″ is convoluted and, as a result, somewhat difficult to lay out. The basic idea seems to be this: Some prayed for events actually occur, and these events may or may not be caused by divine intervention. We have been unable to detect any statistically significant […]

October 14, 2011 By John Barron 36 Comments
H.R. 358 has been dubbed by pro-abortion activists the “Let Women Die” Act, along with top Democrat legislators such as Nancy Pelosi joining in the rhetoric. Abortion has always been an impassioned issue. At times, those on both sides can become defensive and heated. While Scanning the blogosphere I came across a site which lamented, Under H.R. 358, this […]
December 22, 2011 By John Barron 32 Comments
With Sifting Reality, I have offered the world as I see it. I do it for the discussion. I like the interaction — both dissent and assent. I visit many skeptical blogs as well as fellow religious and Christian blogs. On my ventures I have witnessed and experienced smugness, arrogance, and condescension on the part […]
January 16, 2013 By John Barron 5 Comments
This is part four of a 6 part series. PART 1, PART 2, PART 3, PART 5, PART 6 Objection: The Gospels are not written in the native tongue of those who lived it or saw it. It is generally accepted that the Gospel accounts were written in Greek (save for possibly Matthew’s which is believed […]
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It’s about cattle control.
33 abortions to one gun related death in America.
A little more SELF control will help both numbers.
I realize that for some reason that I have not quite discerned, you have a disdain for my thoughts on this issue, but I would like to propose a question because I like that you are so passionate about it and I agree that I hate both of those numbers. What do you do with the soteriological implications of the number of naturally induced abortions?
This is the questions that keeps me from being as passionate about my position on the issue as you are.
Andrew B. Heard
http://www.andrewbheard.com
What do you think the soteriological implications are?
By naturally induced, do you mean the pregnancies which the mother’s body doesn’t take? The difference between a natural death and an intentional taking of a life should be obvious, morally speaking.
John,
Maybe you aren’t aware of the meaning of the word soteriological? Obviously I understand the difference between murder and natural death. The question that I am posing is based on the number of natural abortions that occur and the correlating salvific implications. Research the number of naturally induced rejections of embryos in the first zygote stage. The question that this raises is, does heaven or hell consist mostly of souls that never past the first zygote stage of development?
Maybe it does, honestly I don’t know, Scripture doesn’t tell me. This is why in the vast majority of situations, I am pro-life, because I don’t know. It does raise an interesting and difficult question in the plan of eternal life if the majority of people die at such a premature stage of development.
Andrew
I know what soteriology is, I was asking what you thought the implications were. There are some who believe that unless there is an active conscious acceptance of Jesus as savior, hell awaits. Then some believe children before the “age of accountability” will be ushered into heaven. That’s why I asked.
okay that makes sense, I couldn’t tell that from your response since you just seemed to slam me for the difference between murder and natural abortion? While age of accountability has no Scriptural backing, I defiantly am not in the first camp. I was serious when I asked what your thoughts are. I really don’t have an answer.
It seems to me, Andrew, that the question is rather moot. That is, it has no real bearing on how we, in our limited capacity as human beings, view the question of abortion at all. What happens naturally is irrelevant to what happens by choice in this matter. And while the question can engage us in stimulating speculation, to answer the question one way or the other cannot be allowed to affect decisions we make regarding abortion.
You might also enjoy this little chart I made. Gun deaths from suicide: http://wp.me/psW0l-Vt
Thanks atticus, that’s a great one to keep on hand. It really fades the presumptions behind raw numbers.
I agree. Statistics are a funny thing.
If Republicans really cared about kids they wouldn’t use parent’s mistakes as reasons to cut funding on children’s programs… and they wouldn’t throw away any of the kid’s lives for total gun freedom.
In what world do Republicans use parent’s mistakes to cut funding? Could you cite a bill where that is the case?
And how does further restricting law abiding citizens throw away kids lives? Isn’t it criminals (you know, people who dont follow the law) who kill kids?