My thoughts are that this federal holiday was developed as a way to pander to blacks. The fact that we celebrate anyone’s birthday as a national holiday is one of the problems of government spending as all federal employees get holiday pay (i.e., double time) if they must work on that day, and a loss of work to the gov’t for the free day off for those who don’t work.
“Pander to blacks…”? John, isn’t it embarrassing to have people like this speaking on your side? Don’t you want to distance yourself just a little from such ridiculous suggestions?
Glenn, King is honored with a holiday because he was a great man, admired the WORLD over and not by just “the blacks…”
Now you might want to argue against any national holidays on behalf of people (like Columbus Day, Washington’s birthday, etc… and I notice you didn’t single them out as “pandering to the whites…”) and not seem like an jerk, but to single out the one black man being honored and suggest this honor was not justified, but rather, a way to “pander to blacks” demonstrates that perhaps you’re not as bright or moral as I might have given you credit for.
Dan,
I was around when that MLK day was first initiated, and the reason was to give blacks a holiday. Sort of like the fake holiday Kwaanza was to replace “white man’s Christmas.” Those other days were not originally paid federal holidays, but got to be that way by union demand. Washington’s and Lincoln’s birthdays were just days to honor men who did much for the country, but then they mashed them together to make a federal holiday. Columbus day was more of a celebration that the Americas were found, and a new stage in history begun.
Since these men were honored and there were no black men with a special honor, to be politically-correct and placate the blacks, MLK day began being celebrated as a federal holiday. MLK was not that big of a figure in the overall scheme of things; there were a lot more worthy blacks to use as a figurehead for a federal holiday. And if you don’t know any, it would just demonstrate your ignorance of history.
I “singled out the one black man” because that is the topic and holiday we are celebrating. CONTEXT!! Something you have trouble understanding all the time.
I don’t think ANY man’s birthday should be celebrated with a federal holiday. For one thing, it costs the government – yours and my tax dollars – huge sums of money for the double time for those who have to remain on the job, as well as loss of productivity while still paying others for having a day off! For another thing, it singles out some people as if they are to be honored above all other people.
Seriously, John, don’t you just cringe when he spews idiocies like this? Don’t you wish, even just a little, that he’d just shut up so he does not come across as such a belligerent grumpy old cracker?
Yes, Glenn, I was around when the day started, too. It wasn’t that long ago. That well-known black man, Ronald Reagan signed it into law, as I recall. Reagan was just playing into the hands of “the blacks,” darned fool.
This HAS to be about the most planetary-sized bit of ignorance I’ve read in months…
MLK was not that big of a figure in the overall scheme of things
?? That is just so dumbfoundingly stupid and ignorant of history and life in the real world that I just don’t know what to say.
Are you truly that entirely ignorant as to believe that diarrhea-flimsy statement? I can’t believe you are that clueless, but you keep trying to prove that you are.
Okay, you’re clueless and ignorant of reality. Have it your way.
Trabue,
The only argument you ever have is ad hominem – always attacking me because you are too stupid to understand the argument.
It doesn’t matter that Reagan is the one who signed MLK day in – the reason behind it was to placate and pander to blacks. Everyone at the time knew that. I should say “everyone but stupid liberals” – but then, it is the liberals who always pander to black people and treat them as subhumans who need all sorts of affirmative action programs, etc to help them because they are obviously too stupid or lazy to get anywhere on merit. It is the liberals who are racists keeping the black man as a slave to the government.
It is your “planetary-sized bit of ignorance” that comes out every time you comment on anyone’s blog.
So, you think MLK was the most important black figure in history?!!?!?!? I’ll take Booker T. Washington as a man who did more for the nation, I’ll take Clarence Thomas as a man who has done more for the nation, I’ll take Frederick Douglass as a man who has done more for the nation (as well as more for blacks), I’ll take George Washington Carver as a man who has done more the for nation.
You pander to black socialists with MLK worship.
Enjoy your socialist ignorance, you sad, sad excuse for a human!
And incidentally, Trabue, the post is also about MLK day in reference to the millions of blacks who are murdered because people like you support abortion.
And contrary to your libel, I never denigrated any race of people. And yes, I am opposed to paid holidays which are set aside to worship men. And, if you weren’t so ignorant you would know that you cannot refuse pay in federal service. But I sure used it to help a lot of other people!
Incidentally Glenn, the post is about abortion and the author (embarrassingly and stupidly) comparing abortion to a deliberate genocide and asking why “the blacks” and liberals who would honor a great man like King would abide by this “genocide.” The implication being that liberals and “the blacks” are evil, stupid or both.
You’re the one who chose to use it to denigrate a great man and a whole race of people.
And on your off topic rant, you said…
Those other days were not originally paid federal holidays, but got to be that way by union demand.
In addition to being opposed to “the blacks” and honoring a great man, you’re opposed to paid holidays? Really? I suppose you refuse to take any holiday pay, then?
Your comments, besides being off topic, are just insanely ridiculous and not a little bit evil. Repent, son.
As I walked to work, I came upon a genie’s bottle (or, if you prefer, a djinn’s bottle)
Most of Glenn’s ignorance can speak for itself, but since he misrepresented me, allow me to clarify this one line…
you think MLK was the most important black figure in history?!!?!?!?
Yes, that is what I said when I said… oh, wait, I NEVER SAID THAT, did I?
I would not try to identify “the most important black figure in history…,” any more than I would try to identify “the greatest” person of any sort in history. That would be rather goofy. Fortunately, if you look at my words, rather than the false words Glenn put in my mouth, you will see that I did not make that claim.
You’re forgiven for the misrepresentation.
What I said was that King was a great man and a HUGE influence on the 20th century. He helped lead (along with many others) a nearly unprecedented movement of an oppressed people from oppression to liberty and he did it non-violently in a way that honored Christ, his Savior.
You appear to ignore this entirely, Glenn. You don’t have to like King to recognize his incredible contribution to history and the 20th Century.
And “Clarence Thomas has done more for the nation than King…”?? Again, the ignorance with which you spread your words just about blankets the earth. Come on, get serious.
I’d be willing to wager that Clarence Thomas himself would spit on you for making such a suggestion.
Recognizing a great man’s influence and force for good and justice is not to worship him, it’s merely recognizing reality.
Sadly, anyone who doesn’t fit into Glenn’s little box of “good” is a socialist to be demonized and a whole world of people are stupid and evil for disagreeing with Glenn. God have mercy on your soul, son.
Repent.
So you can’t/won’t refuse your pay for holidays? Then at least be consistent and give away that money rather than keeping it for yourself. That you aren’t going to do that (and I am right, aren’t I? You ARE going to keep that money for yourself) is just evidence of your hypocrisy.
Trabue,
YOU are the one misrepresenting what was said. I never said you thought MLK was the most important black figure in history – did you notice my question marks? You do know what a question mark means, don’t you? It was a question based on your attack against my statement that in the overall scheme of things MLK wasn’t that big of a figure. By attacking that statement of mine, the implication would be that you think he IS a big figure in history, so big that HE needs a day of honor when more important figures don’t. And YOU never mentioned what century in any of the above statements, except to charge me with living in the 18th century (without and evidence of my beliefs being in common with that century).
I DON’T forgive YOUR misrepresentation, because that is what you do consistently with everyone!
Clarence Thomas has brought some sanity to SCOTUS, which is more important for the entire nation to keep it from falling apart. But I notice you didn’t even mention the other great men of color a said were more of a factor for the USA than MLK.
And my point was never to denigrate MLK; my point was that he was the figurehead used to pander to blacks to give them their own holiday, and that there were more worthy men to give that honor to. Of course Thomas not being dead would be ineligible for such an honor, but the point there was that he is just as much, if not more, important to America than was MLK.
So you can’t/won’t refuse your pay for holidays? Then at least be consistent and give away that money rather than keeping it for yourself. That you aren’t going to do that (and I am right, aren’t I? You ARE going to keep that money for yourself) is just evidence of your hypocrisy.
And Mr. Jackass, you again fail to read what I said just to you can again lie and misrepresent me. I stated that you can’t refuse pay – and that is the truth. I clearly stated what I did with my holiday pay, as if it is any of your business: But I sure used it to help a lot of other people!
And I no longer get holiday pay because I am no longer employed!
You ever notice how bent out of shape he gets when you say he isnt a Christian? Did you notice how he wouldn’t commit himself to saying who the greatest person is? Jesus of Nazareth immediately came to mind for me. Just sayin.
John,
Yes, and Mormons also get bent out of shape when you say they aren’t Christians. But, as with the Mormons, Trabue worships another Christ and another God – those of his own making vs the ones identified in the Bible. A false Christ only brings a false salvation.
But to be fair, the question was never about who the greatest person was; the context was which black man is actually worthy of the sort of honor a federal holiday bestows.
You ever notice how bent out of shape he gets when you say he isnt a Christian?
Not bent out of shape. I just correct a factual mistaken. Factually speaking, by orthodox Christian standards, I am a Christian. Spreading slander and falsehoods is something we SHOULD correct, don’t you think?
And despite the many attempts and non-attempts to make the case, no one has yet to say how you all can separate me from the love of God. Factually speaking.
John…
Did you notice how he wouldn’t commit himself to saying who the greatest person is?
Well, Jesus isn’t “just” a person. Jesus is the living Son of God and my savior, so I don’t really associate him with mere humans. Do you?
If you’re counting God-men amongst humanity, then yes, I’d agree. Jesus is the greatest man/God-man who ever lived. I just think that’s not fair to the rest of us mere mortals…
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My thoughts are that this federal holiday was developed as a way to pander to blacks. The fact that we celebrate anyone’s birthday as a national holiday is one of the problems of government spending as all federal employees get holiday pay (i.e., double time) if they must work on that day, and a loss of work to the gov’t for the free day off for those who don’t work.
I haven’t really formed an opinion on the day. But the fact that abortion plays such a part in the black community should be addressed.
“Pander to blacks…”? John, isn’t it embarrassing to have people like this speaking on your side? Don’t you want to distance yourself just a little from such ridiculous suggestions?
Glenn, King is honored with a holiday because he was a great man, admired the WORLD over and not by just “the blacks…”
Now you might want to argue against any national holidays on behalf of people (like Columbus Day, Washington’s birthday, etc… and I notice you didn’t single them out as “pandering to the whites…”) and not seem like an jerk, but to single out the one black man being honored and suggest this honor was not justified, but rather, a way to “pander to blacks” demonstrates that perhaps you’re not as bright or moral as I might have given you credit for.
Dan,
I was around when that MLK day was first initiated, and the reason was to give blacks a holiday. Sort of like the fake holiday Kwaanza was to replace “white man’s Christmas.” Those other days were not originally paid federal holidays, but got to be that way by union demand. Washington’s and Lincoln’s birthdays were just days to honor men who did much for the country, but then they mashed them together to make a federal holiday. Columbus day was more of a celebration that the Americas were found, and a new stage in history begun.
Since these men were honored and there were no black men with a special honor, to be politically-correct and placate the blacks, MLK day began being celebrated as a federal holiday. MLK was not that big of a figure in the overall scheme of things; there were a lot more worthy blacks to use as a figurehead for a federal holiday. And if you don’t know any, it would just demonstrate your ignorance of history.
I “singled out the one black man” because that is the topic and holiday we are celebrating. CONTEXT!! Something you have trouble understanding all the time.
I don’t think ANY man’s birthday should be celebrated with a federal holiday. For one thing, it costs the government – yours and my tax dollars – huge sums of money for the double time for those who have to remain on the job, as well as loss of productivity while still paying others for having a day off! For another thing, it singles out some people as if they are to be honored above all other people.
By the way, John, it’s MLK Day, not MKL…
Seriously, John, don’t you just cringe when he spews idiocies like this? Don’t you wish, even just a little, that he’d just shut up so he does not come across as such a belligerent grumpy old cracker?
Yes, Glenn, I was around when the day started, too. It wasn’t that long ago. That well-known black man, Ronald Reagan signed it into law, as I recall. Reagan was just playing into the hands of “the blacks,” darned fool.
This HAS to be about the most planetary-sized bit of ignorance I’ve read in months…
MLK was not that big of a figure in the overall scheme of things
?? That is just so dumbfoundingly stupid and ignorant of history and life in the real world that I just don’t know what to say.
Are you truly that entirely ignorant as to believe that diarrhea-flimsy statement? I can’t believe you are that clueless, but you keep trying to prove that you are.
Okay, you’re clueless and ignorant of reality. Have it your way.
Enjoy the 18th century, you sad sad man.
Trabue,
The only argument you ever have is ad hominem – always attacking me because you are too stupid to understand the argument.
It doesn’t matter that Reagan is the one who signed MLK day in – the reason behind it was to placate and pander to blacks. Everyone at the time knew that. I should say “everyone but stupid liberals” – but then, it is the liberals who always pander to black people and treat them as subhumans who need all sorts of affirmative action programs, etc to help them because they are obviously too stupid or lazy to get anywhere on merit. It is the liberals who are racists keeping the black man as a slave to the government.
It is your “planetary-sized bit of ignorance” that comes out every time you comment on anyone’s blog.
So, you think MLK was the most important black figure in history?!!?!?!? I’ll take Booker T. Washington as a man who did more for the nation, I’ll take Clarence Thomas as a man who has done more for the nation, I’ll take Frederick Douglass as a man who has done more for the nation (as well as more for blacks), I’ll take George Washington Carver as a man who has done more the for nation.
You pander to black socialists with MLK worship.
Enjoy your socialist ignorance, you sad, sad excuse for a human!
And incidentally, Trabue, the post is also about MLK day in reference to the millions of blacks who are murdered because people like you support abortion.
And contrary to your libel, I never denigrated any race of people. And yes, I am opposed to paid holidays which are set aside to worship men. And, if you weren’t so ignorant you would know that you cannot refuse pay in federal service. But I sure used it to help a lot of other people!
Incidentally Glenn, the post is about abortion and the author (embarrassingly and stupidly) comparing abortion to a deliberate genocide and asking why “the blacks” and liberals who would honor a great man like King would abide by this “genocide.” The implication being that liberals and “the blacks” are evil, stupid or both.
You’re the one who chose to use it to denigrate a great man and a whole race of people.
And on your off topic rant, you said…
Those other days were not originally paid federal holidays, but got to be that way by union demand.
In addition to being opposed to “the blacks” and honoring a great man, you’re opposed to paid holidays? Really? I suppose you refuse to take any holiday pay, then?
Your comments, besides being off topic, are just insanely ridiculous and not a little bit evil. Repent, son.
As I walked to work, I came upon a genie’s bottle (or, if you prefer, a djinn’s bottle)
Most of Glenn’s ignorance can speak for itself, but since he misrepresented me, allow me to clarify this one line…
you think MLK was the most important black figure in history?!!?!?!?
Yes, that is what I said when I said… oh, wait, I NEVER SAID THAT, did I?
I would not try to identify “the most important black figure in history…,” any more than I would try to identify “the greatest” person of any sort in history. That would be rather goofy. Fortunately, if you look at my words, rather than the false words Glenn put in my mouth, you will see that I did not make that claim.
You’re forgiven for the misrepresentation.
What I said was that King was a great man and a HUGE influence on the 20th century. He helped lead (along with many others) a nearly unprecedented movement of an oppressed people from oppression to liberty and he did it non-violently in a way that honored Christ, his Savior.
You appear to ignore this entirely, Glenn. You don’t have to like King to recognize his incredible contribution to history and the 20th Century.
And “Clarence Thomas has done more for the nation than King…”?? Again, the ignorance with which you spread your words just about blankets the earth. Come on, get serious.
I’d be willing to wager that Clarence Thomas himself would spit on you for making such a suggestion.
Recognizing a great man’s influence and force for good and justice is not to worship him, it’s merely recognizing reality.
Sadly, anyone who doesn’t fit into Glenn’s little box of “good” is a socialist to be demonized and a whole world of people are stupid and evil for disagreeing with Glenn. God have mercy on your soul, son.
Repent.
So you can’t/won’t refuse your pay for holidays? Then at least be consistent and give away that money rather than keeping it for yourself. That you aren’t going to do that (and I am right, aren’t I? You ARE going to keep that money for yourself) is just evidence of your hypocrisy.
Sorry about that first line, it’s a typo…
Trabue,
YOU are the one misrepresenting what was said. I never said you thought MLK was the most important black figure in history – did you notice my question marks? You do know what a question mark means, don’t you? It was a question based on your attack against my statement that in the overall scheme of things MLK wasn’t that big of a figure. By attacking that statement of mine, the implication would be that you think he IS a big figure in history, so big that HE needs a day of honor when more important figures don’t. And YOU never mentioned what century in any of the above statements, except to charge me with living in the 18th century (without and evidence of my beliefs being in common with that century).
I DON’T forgive YOUR misrepresentation, because that is what you do consistently with everyone!
Clarence Thomas has brought some sanity to SCOTUS, which is more important for the entire nation to keep it from falling apart. But I notice you didn’t even mention the other great men of color a said were more of a factor for the USA than MLK.
And my point was never to denigrate MLK; my point was that he was the figurehead used to pander to blacks to give them their own holiday, and that there were more worthy men to give that honor to. Of course Thomas not being dead would be ineligible for such an honor, but the point there was that he is just as much, if not more, important to America than was MLK.
So you can’t/won’t refuse your pay for holidays? Then at least be consistent and give away that money rather than keeping it for yourself. That you aren’t going to do that (and I am right, aren’t I? You ARE going to keep that money for yourself) is just evidence of your hypocrisy.
And Mr. Jackass, you again fail to read what I said just to you can again lie and misrepresent me. I stated that you can’t refuse pay – and that is the truth. I clearly stated what I did with my holiday pay, as if it is any of your business: But I sure used it to help a lot of other people!
And I no longer get holiday pay because I am no longer employed!
You are such a blog troll!
Glenn
You ever notice how bent out of shape he gets when you say he isnt a Christian? Did you notice how he wouldn’t commit himself to saying who the greatest person is? Jesus of Nazareth immediately came to mind for me. Just sayin.
John,
Yes, and Mormons also get bent out of shape when you say they aren’t Christians. But, as with the Mormons, Trabue worships another Christ and another God – those of his own making vs the ones identified in the Bible. A false Christ only brings a false salvation.
But to be fair, the question was never about who the greatest person was; the context was which black man is actually worthy of the sort of honor a federal holiday bestows.
John…
You ever notice how bent out of shape he gets when you say he isnt a Christian?
Not bent out of shape. I just correct a factual mistaken. Factually speaking, by orthodox Christian standards, I am a Christian. Spreading slander and falsehoods is something we SHOULD correct, don’t you think?
And despite the many attempts and non-attempts to make the case, no one has yet to say how you all can separate me from the love of God. Factually speaking.
John…
Did you notice how he wouldn’t commit himself to saying who the greatest person is?
Well, Jesus isn’t “just” a person. Jesus is the living Son of God and my savior, so I don’t really associate him with mere humans. Do you?
Well, Jesus being fully God, and fully man, yes, I count him as the greatest person who ever lived.
If you’re counting God-men amongst humanity, then yes, I’d agree. Jesus is the greatest man/God-man who ever lived. I just think that’s not fair to the rest of us mere mortals…