The Complaint Department Is Closed #10

GII’s 10th proof builds upon the flawed reasoning in the first and second proofs offered. The first of which is addressed in The Complaint Dept. is Closed #1, where they misrepresent Bible passages dealing with answering prayer by isolating the verses from their overall context.  Because of GII’s citation of these verses out of context they come to the conclusion that God is a genie who promises to grant wishes to believers; and the absence of unanswered prayers is evidence that God does not exist.  The second, addressed in The Complaint Dept. is Closed #2, GII attempts to dismiss the appearance of answered prayer by defining away any positive claim to answered prayer.  Roughly, their view is ‘prayers are never answered, any prayer that appears to be answered is coincidence’.  Basically, even if the object of the prayer is obtained, i.e., money for bills, is simply a coincidence.  It is in this sense, if the object of the prayer is not obtained, this is evidence prayers are not answered; if the object is obtained, that is still not evidence of prayers being answered.  GII artificially creates  a situation where their argument cannot lose, they rig the game by creating the rules to only allow their conclusion.

Proof Number 10: Watch The Offering Plate

Have you ever thought about the offering plate in church? If God is real, why do they have to pass it? If you read these verses in the Bible, you can see that God claims to be extremely powerful and willing to answer any prayer.

Now consider this: Why don’t the ministers and deacons of the church gather together every Sunday morning and pray to Jesus for the money they need? Why doesn’t Jesus answer their prayers? Why do churches have to beg for money from mere mortals when there is an immortal, all-powerful God who should provide anything they ask for?


A Christian might say, “God does answer the minister’s prayers — he sends people to give money to the church!” If this is the case, then the people are puppets, and God is stealing their money by forcing them to give it to the church. The absurdity of that situation is obvious.

If God were answering the prayers of the minister, there would be no need for the offering plate. God would provide the money that the church needs, not people.

This is it, this is GII’s argument.  I will address first the final two paragraphs, which are GII’s attempt to define away any explanation which does not involve God materializing money in a magical fashion before those in prayer, and is the nail on which their proof hangs.  It is the presumption that God either could not, or would not use a natural process to bring about a supernatural intention. 

For example, say Sally decides to pray to God, that He keeps her safe while driving to her place of work this morning, and God decides to answer that prayer and prevent Sally from being in an automobile accident. Assume for sake of argument, God knows another motorist will fail to stop for a stop sign while speeding through an intersection Sally routinely travels through in her morning commute.  In this situation, according to GII, the only positive evidence this prayer is answered is if Sally’s car is somehow magically lifted over the intersection to the other side of the intersection in order to avoid the collision.  GII dismisses a fallen tree in the road she usually takes forcing a detour as just a coincidence.  Or perhaps spilling her morning coffee on her blouse making her change her clothes, thus causing her to be delayed the 5 minutes necessary in order to miss the negligent motorist is also a coincidence.  GII asserts: if it’s not magic, it’s not God.

This type of defense against the supernatural is not unique to GII.  Those who impose impossible to meet standards on anything supernatural do so intentionally.  An impossible standard is necessary in order to avoid the conclusion: God exists.

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