Yet another reason why Blacks aren’t allowed to be Republicans

Dr. Ben Carson made news not too long ago when he was invited to speak at an event which was attended by President Barack Obama.  What made it news-worthy was his criticism of the way President Obama has handled his time in office.  Ordinarily mere criticism of a sitting President isn’t much to talk about, but this was different.  The criticism was to the President’s face, and Dr. Carson is black.

Not long ago I wrote a short piece making the observation that blacks and other minorities aren’t allowed to be Republicans and political Conservatives.  But not because of Republicans or Conservatives, that is.  No, the reason they aren’t allowed is because of Liberals and Democrats.

Liberals on one hand complain that there are not enough blacks in the Republican party; the party is too “monochromatic” as Chris Matthews once put it.  Then on the other dismiss the few blacks who are strong enough to stand up for their convictions as mere tokens, Uncle Toms and brainwashed.  Here is yet another example of this:

This treatment of Conservative blacks from Liberals and other blacks is not the exception, it’s the rule, and it comes from the party of  tolerance.  It’s no wonder blacks stay put in the Democrat party.  Who wants to be subjected to hate, the level of which can only come from the tolerant left?

Comments

  1. Racism is not on the conservative or Republican side. It has been demonstrated for decades that it is the liberals and Demokrats who are the racists.

  2. The racism card is out of the leftist deck. The right doesn’t have one. Now, this is not to say that there does not exist any who routinely vote Republican who aren’t racist. It’s just not as wide spread as the racist Democrats would have us believe. They need the general public to believe it is the opposition who are guilty of division so as to divert attention from their own dividing.

  3. “We don’t pay you to THINK! We pay you to Vote… DEMOCRAT! Know your place, black people!”, may just as well be a Dem bumper sticker.

    This may seem harsh, but isn’t it pretty spot on?

    John is right about what the left says about the right as it concerns race. Are they complaining? Are they campaigning? Or are they trying to reinforce a racial stereotype (something that is strictly “forbidden”)?

    I absolutely love the black people in my life. They have a lot in common with me. You know why? They’re PEOPLE, people! So, why can’t they vote Republican? Beats me! Ask a Democrat.

  4. paynehollow says:

    It’s a good thing all those dumb blacks have you smart white guys to tell them how to think right…

    And you wonder why a whole race of people have abandoned you.

  5. *smh*

  6. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Blacks who agree with Republican policies should be Republicans. Blaming Democrats and Liberals for their cowardly avoidance of the party they agree with is their own fault. Let’s take as an example those who are pro-choice, and subjected to the hate and vilification of those who are pro-life. Guess what? These pro-choice folks have remained pro-choice because they are willing to stand up for what they believe in.

    • You’re right Anthony, they should and they do most often. What I am saying is that from early in ones life, at times impressionable, young blacks hear the vitriol, hate, name calling and other such BS that they don’t even want to hear the other side’s message. When people like Dan here (painhollow) tell others and minorities that republicans are racist as you can see in his snide comment that he implies it, they are shut off to conservatives from the get go.

      So its not so much standing up, as it is never giving it a fair shake.

  7. paynehollow says:

    You see, John, the reason that your patronizing comments come off as racist is you are implying that black folk – as a group – are too stupid to not make rational decisions for themselves. That is, the RACE of black folk are too stupid not to be fooled or indoctrinated.

    That is racism, by definition.

    That you can’t see it doesn’t make it not obvious to other intelligent people. You know, like those dumb black folk who won’t heed your “wisdom…”

    • Dan why are you always so obtuse, the point I am making is to ask a question why would blacks want to be Republicans when they are called names like Uncle Tom and token by other blacks and liberals

    • And let’s not forget dan you are the one who is racist, you were the one said there is too many of one particular race. When you say there are too many of a particular race that my friend is racist, you racist

  8. You don’t seem to get it, Dan. ANYONE who votes Democrat is an idiot. But while you pretend that the right is questioning the intelligence of only blacks, the left does as much, if not worse, when any black dares support conservatism. What’s more, no one is saying the RACE of black folk are stupid, but only those that without thought immediately punch the card for Dems that are so, as other supporters do. They ARE fooled. They ARE indoctrinated as the Dems look to rhetoric to sway voters, while the right side urges a look at results. Indeed, you’d be hard-pressed to defend the routine charge that the GOP is racist. But once the charge is leveled, the suspicion is often difficult to assuage. It requires looking at the facts and history, and not enough are doing this regardless of their race. The rest, like you, ignore facts and history.

  9. It’s racist to say that a particular race SHOULD vote a certain way. That’s what dems do all the time. And yes, there’s tremendous pressure put on black people in particular to “act black” and that includes voting like black people.

    What does that imply? That they, as a group, shouldn’t THINK too much about it. Just tow the line. Know your place as a person with a particular skin color.

    I’ve always said being liberal is easy. It’s a tougher thing to sell that the conservative ideas are for everyone, when the other side keeps it racial. “We care about the special needs of x, y, and z people”.

  10. John, I don’t know why you continue to allow Trabue to troll here, since all he does is stir the pot and attack everyone as racists, homophobes, bigots, liars, slanders, gossips, etc, etc, He’s a false teacher and has been exposed too many times as such and yet still is given a forum for his nonsense.
    http://wolfsheep2.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/false-teacher-profile-updated/

  11. Dan,

    Conservatve2Cents made a good point that I’d like you to respond to.

    He said,

    It’s racist to say that a particular race SHOULD vote a certain way. That’s what dems do all the time.

    Is that not true? Isn’t it racist to lump an entire group of people together based on the color of their skin?

  12. Where have I said that a particular race SHOULD vote a certain way? I have not.

    Beyond that, saying “black people SHOULD vote democrat,” IF someone were doing that, is not racist. That is, that statement does not meet the definition of the English word, “racist.”

    How does it?

    Saying “”Purple people should not vote against those who are prejudiced against Purple people” (to remove a specific race from the equation) is not “lumping a group of people together, it’s making a value judgment that is not irrational.

    Where specifically am I mistaken?

    Pointing out the unfriendly, sometimes racist behavior of many of those in the GOP is not telling anyone how to vote. It’s pointing out facts.

  13. I’m gonna chime in hear as probably the only black person to post so far (I think) and say that John’s post is correct and I’m not offended. This happens all the time and I experienced backlash because I voted Republican at the national level (President, Senate, Congress) in this past November election. I live in NJ so state and local politicians aren’t so red and blue but more purple. I voted an application of my Christian worldview which most of the African American Christian population did not. They voted for Obama anyway. They are a very contradictory group because Romney’s stances on issues are more biblical. Also most Black celebrities are Republicans because they’ll benefit financially but they keep it very quiet. The few who do come out and say they are Republicans get serious backlash like Stacey Dash. It’s all but confirmed that 50 cent and LL Cool J are republicans. I am actually independent, I know all politicians are the same and really just care to get elected and bring their supporters and friends into their cabinet. Also both parties have strengths and weaknesses. To really put trust in parties is very illogical and unbiblical. A vote is a privileged decision of whose ideas you believe are truth and should under gird public policy. You can’t even vote on what they say they will do because either they are intentionally lying or are nieve and inexperienced. To put so much baggage and stigma to someone’s political decision is a problem in our society and not just the judgement by blacks given to black republican voters.

    • Was I right to put it the way I did? “We pay you to vote”? Not just black people. It just happens to be the topic. Don’t they do this to lots of groups? Buying votes is what it’s all about with them. I don’t know a conservative position that gives people money simply for voting republican. But that is almost always the Democrat m.o.

      And because of their expectation of the group’s having been bought, those who don’t take the deal are a threat and must be said to be acting against the group itself.

      It’s just amazing to me that any group can vote 90% for one party.

  14. Where have I said that a particular race SHOULD vote a certain way? I have not.

    No, Dan, but many liberals, even those in major positions within the Democrat Party, have said as much.

    Beyond that, saying “black people SHOULD vote democrat,” IF someone were doing that, is not racist. That is, that statement does not meet the definition of the English word, “racist.”

    In what way, then, is John’s statement racist? If grouping together an entire race of people according to a perceived economic status, and thus world view, isn’t racist, then what racist remark did John make?

    Saying “”Purple people should not vote against those who are prejudiced against Purple people” (to remove a specific race from the equation) is not “lumping a group of people together, it’s making a value judgment that is not irrational.

    Indeed. But it is often claimed that Republicans are racist because they believe ability rather than race should dictate promotions, and also because they often reject many social programs. Based on these beliefs, is the charge of racism against Republicans reasonable?

  15. @conservative2cents Are you asking me? I got a reply alert but you didn’t reference my name.

  16. @conservative2cents No problem, I wasn’t sure because the comments don’t indent which is actually good because indentation can get confusing. If your statement means that some people favor democrats because they will advocate social funding then you’re right. If your statement means that they give away gifts at the voting booth then I would say that’s either not true or something that’s done rarely because I’ve never seen it. Personally speaking I think the reason for loyalty to the democratic party is racial. We think most republicans are racist. It’s really that simple. Some of that is founded because of extremists and some of that is baggage because of the history of this country. I just choose to apply my Christian Worldview to everything in my life. Racism is a flavor of sin to me and we wrestle spirits not flesh and blood (Ephesians 6). Even if God chose for us to be the same race we would still be doing the same things to each other because we are born in sin (Psalm 51:5) and something is wrong with us to the core of our DNA. That’s why me must be born one more time (John 3:3).

  17. paynehollow says:

    Terrance…

    but many liberals, even those in major positions within the Democrat Party, have said as much.

    Support for this claim, please.

    Terrance…

    If grouping together an entire race of people according to a perceived economic status, and thus world view, isn’t racist, then what racist remark did John make?

    John’s implication is that a group of people, determined by John by their RACE, are too stupid and easily fooled to make rational decisions for themselves. It is saying that a whole race is more stupid than he is, which is by definition, racism.

    On the other hand, saying “It is in the societal interest of a group of people to not support people who are against them,” is not racist. It may or may not be factual, but it is not racist. It simply isn’t, not given the English definition of the word.

    Terrance…

    it is often claimed that Republicans are racist because they believe ability rather than race should dictate promotions, and also because they often reject many social programs. Based on these beliefs, is the charge of racism against Republicans reasonable?

    No. Simply opposing affirmative action or opposing “many social programs” is not, in and of itself, racist. But I don’t know many leaders who seriously make that claim. People may sometimes make that sort of charge in a partisan rant, but I don’t know of many who’d make that claim – in and of itself – as evidence.

    On the other hand, claiming that a whole race of people is too stupid and easily fooled to agree with your race, that is racist. By definition.

    Racism (MW): a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

    If John is not saying that black folk are too stupid and easily fooled to think for themselves and agree with him (a white guy) and folk who agree with him, what is he saying? How else does he explain the phenomenon if not that black folk are stupid and easily fooled and unable to think for themselves?

    • Dan

      I made no such claim, that was the interpretation you assigned to my post.

      My post points out that any time a person of color makes a move toward the republican party, liberals, democrats, and other people of color call them names and trivialize them.

  18. Support for this claim, please.

    Here’s one. Blacks Must Vote Democrat, says White House. But more than that, Democrats suggest it often.

    “He [Romney] gonna put you back in chains,” says Joe Biden talking to a group of blacks. Don’t play dumb, Dan.

    John’s implication is that a group of people, determined by John by their RACE, are too stupid and easily fooled to make rational decisions for themselves. It is saying that a whole race is more stupid than he is, which is by definition, racism.

    Obama’s Department of Justice Department ruled that the town of Kinston, N.C. – a majority black town – couldn’t switch to a non-partisan voting system because voters would be unable to determine the candidate of their choice if no party affiliation was listed.

    Isn’t it racist to suggest that a majority black town is too stupid to research the candidate of their choice? Doesn’t it also suggest that Obama wants to ensure that this majority black town stays in the pocket of Democrats? Yes and yes.

    Here

    So why haven’t you sent a strongly worded letter to Obama’s Justice Department, Dan? It seems it would accomplish more than castigating John for perceived racism.

    On the other hand, claiming that a whole race of people is too stupid and easily fooled to agree with your race, that is racist. By definition.

    Then Obama and Holder are racist against black people. They believe they’re too stupid to know what person to vote for, which is why they want the party affiliation listed.

    Thanks for clearing that up, Dan.

  19. paynehollow says:

    re: “blacks must vote democrat says white house…” Interestingly, you pointed to a link where NO ONE SAYS that. Wanna try again? Perhaps you’re not familiar with the concept of providing support for a claim?

  20. This is silly. The fact of the matter is plain: The Democrats make their bones by trying to appeal to groups. The Republicans (more precisely, conservatives) know their message has appeal for all, if all would listen and hear. We on the right don’t care what color you are, what gender you are, what religion you follow, what your personal hopes and desires are. We know that conservatism works for everyone better than progressivism/liberalism/socialism/leftism. The Democrats are racist by the simple fact that they pander to whatever group is before them at the moment. It’s their M.O. They do bribe, they do promise. Dems have a history of providing new garbage cans and such things for votes. They have been doing that for generations.

    Ya can’t change the reality. Only the voter can.

  21. Interestingly, you pointed to a link where NO ONE SAYS that. Wanna try again? Perhaps you’re not familiar with the concept of providing support for a claim?

    I’m sorry. Would you like me to contact the paper and tell them to change the title of the article, Dan, my brother in Christ?

    Now, would you care to respond to that article and Joe Biden’s asinine remark? Or, would you rather skirt around the issue some more?

  22. We talk about oversensitivity. People are very quick to see racism where none exists. What exactly is it about conservative ideas that’s racist against any group?

  23. paynehollow says:

    Nothing. But saying “This specific race is, as a race, too stupid and easily fooled not to be tricked by conniving Democrats” is racist, by definition. Nothing oversensitive about it, just pointing out the facts.

    You all seem to be the ones acting in a hypersensitive manner. Rather than responding to the facts, you’re going on the attack. Why not just say, “Oh, yeah, that IS racist, by definition, IF that is what John was trying to say… I don’t think that’s what he meant, though. What he meant was…” and explain how saying all the black folk are too stupid and/or easily fooled to vote “right” isn’t intended to be racist.

    If the intent isn’t to say that black folk, as a group, are too stupid and/or easily fooled to vote “right,” then what IS the intent? That’s the question you need to be able to answer if you all don’t want those sorts of racist comments to be seen as racist, by definition in the English language.

  24. Dan,

    What “intentions” do you have in mind? John’s post does not match your comments. He is clearly stating the problems blacks endure due to leftist behaviors, attitudes and words. He provides an example of what he is saying. Nothing in the post points to any of John’s personal beliefs regarding blacks other than those of the left who demonize blacks siding with the right. What’s more, YOU do not address THOSE facts whatsoever.

  25. If the intent isn’t to say that black folk, as a group, are too stupid and/or easily fooled to vote “right,” then what IS the intent?

    My point exactly, Dan. So why did Obama’s Justice Department argue that non-partisan voting systems in majority black towns would make voting difficult?

    You’re not interested in equally distributing your criticism.

    • Dear Glenn Chatfield,

      Thanks for the link. Here is my response. I am sure you will disagree.
      “I agree there are lots of fallacies on the liberal side. But this article is also full of many logical fallacies. For example: If one finds two outcomes that are the same (whites in Britain and blacks in the US) then the cause must be the same. Sorry, two different causes can lead to similar outcomes. Poverty can be caused by many things, but once poor, there is a certain similarity in behavior. Blacks are both victims of past racism, and responsible for overcoming that past. We are all responsible for our behavior, and blaming others for what happens to us now is useless and non-productive. The law of cause and effect suggests that the past has bearing on the present. That does not excuse people from the choices they make today.”

  26. paynehollow says:

    ? Glenn, that does not seem to have anything to do with anything. Your point?

    Terrance, the topic of this post was not Obama’s Justice Department and a ruling with which I am not familiar. Not being familiar with the ruling, I have no opinion about it one way or the other.

    That does not change the reality that John’s post seems to clearly suggest that he thinks black folk, as a race, are too stupid and/or easily fooled to make rational decisions.

    Again, if that is not the point he’s making, then how does he explain his hunch that black folk vote stupidly, as a race of people? (in his opinion, of course).

    You can’t offer up words that seem to CLEARLY make a rather outrageous and racist claim and then say, “That’s not what I mean,” without explaining what you DO mean.

    If it’s stupid to vote Democrat and black folk overwhelmingly vote Democrat, does that mean black folk are stupid?

    Look at another example:

    IF it’s insane to jump off cliffs with nothing to stop your fall
    AND Group X almost always jumps off cliffs
    THEN are you not saying that Group X is behaving insanely?

    You can’t really offer the first two lines (Behavior 1 is stupid AND Group X does Behavior 1) without being held accountable for the implication of the logical premise.

    • Trabue,

      What do you mean the article had nothing to do with anything!?!?! Did you even read it? The point is how liberals look at race in general – and blacks especially. It has everything to do with this topic.

  27. “If it’s stupid to vote Democrat and black folk overwhelmingly vote Democrat, does that mean black folk are stupid?”

    Only if Dan Trabue is trying to demonize a discussion opponent. Most rational people would look at that question and answer: “No. It only means that those blacks who vote Democrat are stupid, just as it means anyone who votes Democrat is stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.” This is because not all blacks vote Democrat, so to say “all” would be a stupid assumption, which is not surprising for a leftist assuming such a thing.

    You obviously believe the opposite is true, that it is smarter to vote Democrat, or that it is NOT smart to vote Republican (choose “left-wing” or “right-wing” if you prefer). As such, it matches the point of John’s post, which highlights the assault on the character and intelligence of blacks who do NOT vote Democrat.

    But worst of all is your ongoing attempt to label center right people as racist with your question quoted above evidence to this fact. Look at your own words again. You speak of blacks “overwhelmingly” voting Democrat and from that leap to an accusation that we might then condemn ALL blacks for what only most do. Reprehensible!

  28. Anthony,

    I don’t believe that past has much more importance than speculation for why one’s existence is of the quality it might be. That is to say, while past racism might have played a role in the poverty of today’s blacks, that role is insignificant compared to what they do about it. It’s only an excuse and that excuse is not one that can be legitimately used beyond its true level of impact on the issue, which is minimal. Past racism does not deny one the ability to see what is true and anyone’s insistence that the Democratic Party offers the most requires denial of truth or the refusal to really see what is true.

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